Online debate – “free speech” trollworld style

This is a classic comment, it speaks volumes about the type of free speech that’s acceptable to the cosy club.

You are entitled to free speech but you are not entitled to exercise it in someone’s privately owned forum.

It is the same logic used by the Victorian police to stop the BDS protests in Melbourne resulting in a court case that has 19 young people arraigned on ridiculous charges such as “trespass in a public place”.

It is a pity that the free speech fundamentalists like Tim Blair, Chris Berg and Andrew Bolt really don’t care about such cases.

Their silence condemns them.

So does this drivel from the dribblejaws.

Verbatim from Tim Blair’s blog. It might be the case that moderator is an understatement:

1> The Post

Tim Blair

Sunday, May 27, 2012 (6:31am)

 Miserable Matthew Ricketson:

I don’t think I’ve ever felt as dispirited about journalism as I have in the past few months.

Dispirited? Really? The government-appointed media inquiry adviser is a hard man to please:

Details of how the inquiry was established emerged as officials revealed the inquiry’s head, former judge Ray Finkelstein, was paid $308,000 and the inquiry’s top adviser, academic Matthew Ricketson, was paid $175,000.

He deserves every cent of those taxpayer dollars just for using the phrase “speaking truth to power” without vomiting. In fact, Ricketson used variations of it three times within one paragraph – “Journalism, amid stories of cats up trees, football scores and celebrity gossip, is about speaking truth to power. The news media wields power too, and when you speak truth to it, the result is much the same as when the news media speaks truth” – which might explain previous reviews.

The comments (mine included “interested bystander”)

Dispirited? That may be a good sign for Matthew. Watching the contortions of the Labor-loving media as they strive to find positives on this government’s unending string of disasters would depress anyone who saw the facts flat-on.

Gregoryno6 of TMIAUC (Reply)

Sun 27 May 12 (07:02am)

Ricketson claims ‘self-regulation does not work, according to the Press Council’.

When did the Press Council say this?

Considering the Press Council is funded by print media organisations as their self-regulatory body, this seems very unlikely.

James In Footscray (Reply)
Sun 27 May 12 (07:16am)

The news media wields power too, and when you speak truth to it, the result is much the same as when the news media speaks truth

Mathew should enter that sentence in the PM’s literacy awards.

The Realist of Qld (Reply)
Sun 27 May 12 (07:27am)

‘Your freedom to read is in their hands’? Someones trying it on. At the moment,our freedom to reply and correct is often ignored by that very person.

Billy Rubin (Reply)
Sun 27 May 12 (08:41am)

He’s been dispirtited about journalism for only the last few months?

Lucky him. I’ve been dispirited with it since Bongiorno had hair.

the little dasher (Reply)
Sun 27 May 12 (08:56am)
Jonah replied to the little dasher
Sun 27 May 12 (05:18pm)

Dispiritedness began for me (over here to your right) circa 1985 with the late Peter Jennings and his smirks, scowls, and eyebrow acrobatics every time he had to report on somebody’s tax cut proposal.

I tried to read the article.  My vision sort of clouded over in that second sentence when he wrote “speaking truth to power”.  But then, I was around for the first iteration of that buzz phrase, and yes, it does induce a certain nausea.

RebeccaH (Reply)
Sun 27 May 12 (09:13am)
thistle replied to RebeccaH
Sun 27 May 12 (04:18pm)

I didn’t read it.
Happy to take Tim Blair’s word.
Not dispirited.

“Truth To Power”…

Is that a “Meme” or a “Trope”?

derFRED of NSW Central Boast (Reply)
Sun 27 May 12 (09:47am)

Ricketson has a point that Tim Blair won’t acknowledge because of the groupthink that permeates the Hun bunkers.

The point he’s making is that when anyone attempts to disagree with the news limited orthodoxy they are vilified and shut down.

I know from my own experience of trying to have a right of reply published that such efforts are met with scorn and ignored.

Attempting to talk back in a critical way to a powerful news organisation like news limited is not tolerated.

sdog replied to concerned bystander
Sun 27 May 12 (03:16pm)

“I like your shoes.”

jupes replied to concerned bystander
Sun 27 May 12 (04:00pm)

Ricketson has a point that Tim Blair won’t acknowledge because of the groupthink that permeates the Hun bunkers.

Whenever those on the left get called out for something, one of their tactics is to use the same phrase against the evil right. In this weekend’s edition of the Weekend Australian, the ABC was given evidence of their “groupthink” and so we waited for some lefty projection…

First out of the blocks. Well done cb.

The point he’s making is that when anyone attempts to disagree with the news limited orthodoxy they are vilified and shut down.

By what mechanism can the evil Murdoch shut down anything other than his own newspapers? You are confusing Murdoch with Ricketson. He and Conroy are trying to shut News Limited down.

I know from my own experience of trying to have a right of reply published that such efforts are met with scorn and ignored.

So you didn’t get your letter published. Oh dear. Of course that’s never happened to anyone else before ever at any other paper. Non Murdoch papers publish every letter received.

Attempting to talk back in a critical way to a powerful news organisation like news limited is not tolerated.

What has the big bad News Limited done to you cb? Have they been picking on you again? Never mind, you will always have the ABC (not so sure about Fairfax though.)

PCconfused2222 replied to concerned bystander
Sun 27 May 12 (07:35pm)

To Concerned
The simple fact is that the Loons and the Luvies do control Fairfax and the ABC and anyone who does not agree with their rationale can expect to be vilified, so those of us who do not agree have found a safe haven where we can state our opinions and find a release from our frustrations on Blairs, Piers, Bolts and even Hildebrands blogs.
If you choose to give your opinion and thoughts you are free to do so but please remember that anyone who has an opinion that differs from yours is allowed to reply as long as they stay within the rules and regulations.
THIS IS WHAT PUBLIC DISCOURSE IS ALL ABOUT.

bennoba replied to concerned bystander
Sun 27 May 12 (09:59pm)

You always know what the progressive left are up to.

It’s what they are accusing everyone else of doing

Crossie replied to concerned bystander
Mon 28 May 12 (12:33am)

concerned bystander, start your own newspaper or better still stand on a box in Fitzroy Gardens and tell your story.  No-one will villify you or shut you down though you may not get anyone to take any notice.  You are entitled to free speech but you are not entitled to exercise it in someone’s privately owned forum.

If you are concerned with how News Corp is managed buy their shares, go to the stockholders meetings and take it up there.  Otherwise it is none of your business.  You don’t like their product then don’t buy it.

What’s really unfair is that all taxpayers are ABC’s shareholders yet most of us have no say in how it’s run and we certainly don’t get the right of reply.

just for using the phrase “speaking truth to power” without vomiting

Ricketson is a moron.
How is it even possible for someone to still be trying to use idiot lefty buzzwords/phrases from over half a decade ago.
Anyone proffering that “truth to power” blather without irony is instantly given an idiot ranking comparable to that Old Mother Hubbard woman who stalked GW.

mr.simmon (Reply)
Sun 27 May 12 (07:07pm)

That’s odd. I thought journalism was about reporting what happened where and whodunit.

Silly moi.

dowp (Reply)
Sun 27 May 12 (10:22pm)
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thanks for the reply, you prove my point. I actually used “groupthink” before it was used in W/e Oz on Saturday.

I note that it applies on this thread too. raspberry

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sdog replied to concerned bystander
Mon 28 May 12 (07:57pm)

“I like your shoes.”

Seriously, dude – what is a university-based journalism academic doing trolling NewsLtd blogs with outraged cries of having been “vilified” and “shut down”?  Isn’t that a little sad?  You have your own blog; you have the Twitter thing, you have courses full of young easily-indoctrinated yoofs… you have plenty of public outlets to Speak Truth To Power™.

Has it really come to this?

sdog (Reply)
Mon 28 May 12 (08:34pm)
My next reply is in the pipeline

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